consider the blue zones in loma linda calif. a group of mainly seventh day adventists mainly vegetarian diet lived years longer than the regular population.
So, there is an effect that they call the Healthy Volunteer Effect, whereby people who agree to be studied are of superior health to the mainstream.
The Seventh Day Adventists live a different life. They are religious, they have close family ties and community ties, they are active.
The EPIC-Oxford shows that people who are very healthy are okay on animals, or plants or a combination. Probably about equally healthy.
My contention is that it is easier to be healthy on a diet that includes dairy, eggs and some meat and fish and seafood, occasional liver, even if they are not already extraordinarily healthy and fit.
We have to work with what we have, where we are at. Most of the folks I work with are not healthy like those Blue Zone people, and it's much more than just diet.
I was SDA and lived in Loma Linda for several years. I'm addition to being vegetarian (the majority include milk, cheese and eggs). They also don't smoke and don't drink alcohol. When the stats account for non smoking and non drinking cohorts, they don't live any longer. In other words, their longevity entirely accounted for by factors other than diet, namely not smoking cigarettes and not drinking alcohol.
i absolutely agree i help people with cancer all the time and most push providers push being a vegan mainly for its increase alkaline state however i find that some people need some animal products and fats along with the other things that we do for them , detox , increased co2, increased hydrogen increased oxygen ewot , ect are al part of the keys in making the body anticancer
You could have just as easily written an article about Dr Esselstein, cardiovascular surgeon with the Cleveland clinic. Nearly 90 now eating the same diet and looking, dare I say better than you - and me. This report is totally unfair because people die for reasons that have nothing to do with their diet, and what's worse you don't know why he died.
Herbert Shelton, founder of natural hygiene and vegan. Lived to 90
Virginia Vertrano, co founder of NH, vegan. Lived to 92
Gerald Benish, co founder of NH, mine and my family's personal health advisor, vegan. Lived to 90
Alec Burton, M.Sc., D.O.(U.K.), M.R.O., MIAHP vegan. Lived to 86
Ellsworth Wareham, an American surgeon, vegan. Lived 104 years.
True. It is not just about living long though, is it? As you say, people die for all kinds of reasons, and we all know we will die of something at sometime. One important thing to me is that the people you mentioned all seem to have lived, or are living, vibrant, energetic, meaningful, happy lives at all ages. That, to me, is the goal -not age of death.
This all needs to be looked at from a probabilistic perspective. Eating a healthy diet increases your probability of living a long healthy life. It does not guarantee it. Some smokers live to a ripe old age. Does that imply anything about the health effects of smoking? I have no idea if eating a 100% plant based diet is healthy or not but the science implies that eating a mostly plant based diet is better for your health.
I find the concept of "looking too thin" interesting. I did not see that with Dr McDougall. I live in Japan, where most of the population is thin. Some maybe are medically "too" thin, but the majority are not. I feel Americans (of which I am one) have an unrealistic idea of what a healthy weight looks like, due to an obese population (and at the other end, a handful of too-thin models and movie star-types.) You asked how you look: I think your skin reflects a tired and unhealthy look. It is missing that"glow" I see in healthy people. Nonetheless, the information you presented is interesting and worthy of consideration.
I agree with that Linda, but I live on an even stricter diet than what the late doctor recommended. My motivation is two fold. First, I do all I can to keep my CLL at bay as long as possible. The other is that all that I profess and encourage my loved ones to do will be judged not by what I preach, but on how long I survive. You've heard it said too I'm sure: "My grandfather smoked cigars and drank whiskey his whole life and lived to 95". Illogical, but time on earth sells. It's the foundation of this and many other articles about Dr. McDougall.
consider the blue zones in loma linda calif. a group of mainly seventh day adventists mainly vegetarian diet lived years longer than the regular population.
So, there is an effect that they call the Healthy Volunteer Effect, whereby people who agree to be studied are of superior health to the mainstream.
The Seventh Day Adventists live a different life. They are religious, they have close family ties and community ties, they are active.
The EPIC-Oxford shows that people who are very healthy are okay on animals, or plants or a combination. Probably about equally healthy.
My contention is that it is easier to be healthy on a diet that includes dairy, eggs and some meat and fish and seafood, occasional liver, even if they are not already extraordinarily healthy and fit.
We have to work with what we have, where we are at. Most of the folks I work with are not healthy like those Blue Zone people, and it's much more than just diet.
I was SDA and lived in Loma Linda for several years. I'm addition to being vegetarian (the majority include milk, cheese and eggs). They also don't smoke and don't drink alcohol. When the stats account for non smoking and non drinking cohorts, they don't live any longer. In other words, their longevity entirely accounted for by factors other than diet, namely not smoking cigarettes and not drinking alcohol.
i absolutely agree i help people with cancer all the time and most push providers push being a vegan mainly for its increase alkaline state however i find that some people need some animal products and fats along with the other things that we do for them , detox , increased co2, increased hydrogen increased oxygen ewot , ect are al part of the keys in making the body anticancer
You could have just as easily written an article about Dr Esselstein, cardiovascular surgeon with the Cleveland clinic. Nearly 90 now eating the same diet and looking, dare I say better than you - and me. This report is totally unfair because people die for reasons that have nothing to do with their diet, and what's worse you don't know why he died.
Herbert Shelton, founder of natural hygiene and vegan. Lived to 90
Virginia Vertrano, co founder of NH, vegan. Lived to 92
Gerald Benish, co founder of NH, mine and my family's personal health advisor, vegan. Lived to 90
Alec Burton, M.Sc., D.O.(U.K.), M.R.O., MIAHP vegan. Lived to 86
Ellsworth Wareham, an American surgeon, vegan. Lived 104 years.
True. It is not just about living long though, is it? As you say, people die for all kinds of reasons, and we all know we will die of something at sometime. One important thing to me is that the people you mentioned all seem to have lived, or are living, vibrant, energetic, meaningful, happy lives at all ages. That, to me, is the goal -not age of death.
Doesn't Esselstyn evangelize essentially the same diet?
Absolutely
This all needs to be looked at from a probabilistic perspective. Eating a healthy diet increases your probability of living a long healthy life. It does not guarantee it. Some smokers live to a ripe old age. Does that imply anything about the health effects of smoking? I have no idea if eating a 100% plant based diet is healthy or not but the science implies that eating a mostly plant based diet is better for your health.
I find the concept of "looking too thin" interesting. I did not see that with Dr McDougall. I live in Japan, where most of the population is thin. Some maybe are medically "too" thin, but the majority are not. I feel Americans (of which I am one) have an unrealistic idea of what a healthy weight looks like, due to an obese population (and at the other end, a handful of too-thin models and movie star-types.) You asked how you look: I think your skin reflects a tired and unhealthy look. It is missing that"glow" I see in healthy people. Nonetheless, the information you presented is interesting and worthy of consideration.
I agree with that Linda, but I live on an even stricter diet than what the late doctor recommended. My motivation is two fold. First, I do all I can to keep my CLL at bay as long as possible. The other is that all that I profess and encourage my loved ones to do will be judged not by what I preach, but on how long I survive. You've heard it said too I'm sure: "My grandfather smoked cigars and drank whiskey his whole life and lived to 95". Illogical, but time on earth sells. It's the foundation of this and many other articles about Dr. McDougall.